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Grand Ole Paranoids

Not satisfied with construing Death Panels from the Democrats' proposed health care plan, Republican leaders are now telling people that Democrats may deny health care to Republicans, which of course is ridiculous.  A fundraising letter approved by GOP leaders includes a ''Future of American Health Care Survey'' asking the receivers their feelings on Democrats being able to check voter records ''prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system.''  Republican National Committee spokesperson Karen Wright says, ''The RNC doesn't try to scare people... We're just trying to get the facts out on health care. And that's what we do every day.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/08/28/us/politics/AP-US-Health-Care-Scare.html

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rhjunior
Sep. 1st, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
Ridiculous? Or accurate? They HAD the death panels in there already, colorfully euphemized. And you give government power to grant healthcare, you grant it the power to DENY healthcare...

Why is it that liberals will sing the praises of a "new thing" which has been tried-- and failed-- a thousand times before, and INSIST that what happened the last thousand times it was tried won't happen again?
coyoty
Sep. 2nd, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
I think it's more believable that those responsible for the fundraiser are deceiving themselves or others, than that the Democrats would do anything like what the panickers are imagining. It's a bogeyman. The RNC is seeing shadows in the closet, or creating them.

Edited at 2009-09-02 12:55 am (UTC)
rhjunior
Sep. 2nd, 2009 03:27 am (UTC)
You may think as you please but it does not change the reality. "They would never do THAT" are among some of the most foolish last words known to man, beaten out only by a thin margin by "don't worry, that lion already ate" and "they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at this distance."

Obama himself stood up in front of you and told you that if it came to finances, the system would be better off if the elderly and infirm "just took the pain pill" rather than seeking treatment. They made provisions in the bill to provide "end of life counseling" and to have a review board consider, person by person, which treatments would and would not be financed--- death board by any other name.

I would refrain from calling you foolish if it weren't for the fact that this is precisely the sort of thing that's happening RIGHT NOW in every other country with government controlled health care. In Europe they push euthanasia as an option for the elderly, whether or not they would be treatable by modern medicine. In England they've denied medical care to newborn babies because a bureaucrat decided the child's "quality of life" wouldn't be worthwhile. In Canada they simply die in waiting lines. And all of the above is bloody well certainly going on in CUBA... where the healthcare is also universal-- a universal cesspit.


Don't you GET IT YET? It's happening NOW, every single place they've done this before!You don't need to pore through a history book; a handful of NEWSPAPERS will do!

You have to be in a state of pathological denial to imagine, even for an INSTANT, that this is not what will happen once Obama's government healthcare is pushed through, and our healthcare system is put into the hands and the power of politicians. Not might, not could, not possibly would-- WILL. This is not paranoia, this is not political brickbatting, this is not a scare tactic, this is what HAS, and ALWAYS WILL, happen. Inescapably. Inevitably. Absolutely.

But again, the eternal battle cry of the gilded fool: "It will work THIS time because OUR people are NOBLER than that!..."
coyoty
Sep. 2nd, 2009 06:42 am (UTC)
I'm not going to let hysterics color my thinking. I won't get hostile about hostels or accept gossip as gospels.
marmoe
Sep. 2nd, 2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
In Europe they push euthanasia as an option for the elderly, whether or not they would be treatable by modern medicine.

Since when are you into bold faced lies?
freakylynx
Sep. 2nd, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
This is an interesting article.
marmoe
Sep. 3rd, 2009 09:23 am (UTC)
Yep, interesting, highlighting the gray area when it comes to the care of those in the process of dying. However, how is this relevant to Ralph's sweeping "the elderly, whether or not they would be treatable"?
ccdesan
Sep. 2nd, 2009 01:20 am (UTC)
The amount of disinformation being spread on a daily basis by both parties, whether directly intended, or ancillary by association, is heart-stopping. A nation of people who believe anything they read in the Enquirer, or hear on mainstream media, is largely at fault - if folks would take the trouble to do their own research, they would find that the truth is usually far different from the reports.

Just have a look at the most egregious examples as recorded by the truth-o-meter, and these are only the worst.

Education is the only hope. How in the name of Mogg's dead grandmother are people like Limbaugh, Coulter, Pelosi or Reid - to name just a few examples of partisanship at its most rabid - are allowed to flourish, or how they come to the ideological positions in their minds that they do, and seem to have no problem reconciling their viewpoints with the facts, is totally beyond me.

yarg snap snarl yarg
brombear
Sep. 3rd, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
The thing that they keep talking about is the whole end of life counselling. They "SAY" it's not mandatory (and anyone who's ever dealt with the VA or Tricare will tell you that can be a double edged blade) but they're very specific about how often it's supposed to happen, and what it's supposed to cover. Mind you, they did the same thing at the VA, got it stopped, and then someone tried to bring it back. This is about bean counting, plain and simple.

The media is the one throwing around the term "death panels". But what this boils down to is that it's going to come down to what the final "Contract" looks like. All of the bills are wishy washy and crystal clear at the moment. The thing is that Congress tried to get this mess shoved through before the recess, and since it didn't happen, people have gotten ahold of the preliminary bills and have looked over them and gotten furious. We're hearing about how some Democrats are upset that the Adminstration is considering dumping the public option.

For the most part, people DO want the current health care provider system reformed...but the bills don't do that. And since the bills aren't specific, that means the Government determines what's an acceptable health care insurance coverage plan. Does that mean the insurance companies will lower prices? Doubtful.

Health care reform has been hashed as "Better doctors, facilities, etc.." when it really should be about regulating the Health Insurance Companies...which these bills DON'T do
coyoty
Sep. 3rd, 2009 06:53 am (UTC)
Legitimate issues should be presented and debated. Calling hostels "death panels" and concluding that if Democrats can identify Republicans, they will withhold treatment, only makes the proposing Republicans look like crackpots and they undermine their own party.

They don't say that by the same logic, Republican caregivers will not give care to any Democrats they can identify. Republicans have the same access to voter records as Democrats. They can just as easily get caught with their hands in the same cookie jar.
brombear
Sep. 3rd, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
Oh I agree that legitimate issues should be presented and debated, but our wonderful elected officials are not going to do that, and the media latches onto a sound bite and it soon becomes "policy". It still bothers me that the hard questions aren't being asked, or they're being "danced around" by lawmakers.
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